UAL pretends tickets are no good
Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:39:22 -0700
Dear Mr. Greenwald,
I am a Premier Exec or 1K United member, I have flown over 1 million
actual flight miles on United, I belong to the Red Carpet Club out of my
own pocket and for the past 12 years have flown United Airlines whenever
possible. I am writing to you about an incident on August 17, 1997, and
the follow-up conversation my travel agent had with United Airlines
Great Lakes (UAGL) Customer Relations.
The events clearly
indicate that I was deliberately lied to by agents of UAGL on the 17th,
and that UAGL dissembled to my travel agent the following day.
Moreover, I cannot find an explanation that fits the facts without the
suggestion that what happened to me is not an accident, but a deliberate
practice of increasing airline revenue through deception.
On August 17 my four children, my girlfriend, and I arrived at Traverse
City, Michigan for a flight to Chicago, the first of a two leg flight to
return to San Francisco. We arrived an hour early, and got in line at
the United counter which was not yet manned for the flight. We were
third through eighth in line. After 15 minutes or so the agent opened
the counter and began checking in passengers. After the couple ahead of
us and my girlfriend, the agent began working on our tickets and
immediately said there was a problem because we did not have "good"
tickets, but that they would see what they could do.
These tickets were non-refundable tickets purchased in May 1997. They
were printed and issued in late July. The gate agent told us that the
equipment for this flight had changed, and that our travel agent had
never confirmed our seats, so we had invalid tickets. In fact, several
of our assigned seats did not even exist on the plane, and since we were
never confirmed, we in fact had no seats. I pointed out that the
tickets had confirmed seat assignments, and that the tickets were
printed long after the equipment change, but I was told this did not
matter, that my agent had printed them "on her own", and I was out of
luck. I was told to take this up with my travel agent.
The gate agent then proposed a solution: I could send three of my
children ahead, and follow with a later flight. Interesting proposal.
Send three children to Chicago to wait for United to re-unite us. I
declined. I asked about the next flight with sufficient seating, and
was told it would be at least two days away. Since the flight was
overbooked, I asked if they will be offering to buy anyone out. The
gate agent at that moment turned to the next person in line and asked
"Do you want to give up your seat?". No mention of compensation. Just
a brassy challenge to another passenger to surrender their ticket.
Certainly put me in my place. The startled passenger shook his head
"no" wondering no doubt if it was a joke.
Because I believed her story about not having good tickets, I stood
aside and waited while she checked in the rest of the plane, hoping for
two no-shows. She found one. We were then short only one seat. She
again asked if I would send the children ahead without me, or leave one
child behind. I declined her second solicitation to commit felony child
abandonment. At that moment I suddenly became the least important
person at the United counter. All attention now focused on filling the
seats I had "released".
The gate agent added people from other airlines. All four seats were
filled by American Airlines passengers waiting for a later flight,
holding American tickets. You should give the gate agent a medal. At
this point I was introduced to United's Plan B. Plan B was to drive to
Detroit -- a mere 4 hours -- and fly another carrier direct to SFO.
We left immediately and drove as fast as possible
straight through to Detroit Metro: 6+ hours. We make the flight by 5
minutes.
When I returned to San Francisco the following day I called my travel
agent to find out why she gave me "fake" tickets, and how I could tell
good tickets from fake tickets in the future. I learned that she had
already spoken to a UAGL Customer Assistance person, to the gate agent,
and to the gate agent's supervisor. The story she got was very
different. First, my travel agent had been told of the equipment change
some months before, but had been told that there were no changes
required to my travel record besides the time. Second, United ticketing
system had allowed her to print the boarding passes with the so-called
"fake" seats on it -- UAGL's assertion to me the prior day that my agent
had done this "on her own" was not made to my agent. Third, UAGL
Customer Service also confirmed to my agent that there was no way we
could have known about the seating change. Fourth, and most important,
UAGL also confirmed to my agent that our tickets were always valid, but
told my travel agent that what had happened the prior day was simply an
overbooking situation, and implied that I had arrived later than the
other passengers for the flight.
So was the Friendly Skies lying then or is it lying now? I was told my
tickets were invalid. I was told my tickets had been improperly cut by
my travel agent, and that because of this, I had no rights on that
aircraft. Yet the
following day my travel agent was told the tickets were always good, and
that we were simply caught in an oversold situation.
Now, Mr. Greenwald, let me spell this out as clearly as I can. I was
the fourth person to check in, and the Beechcraft you use on this flight
holds 19 passengers, most of whom checked in while I was standing
there. I was told a big lie about my tickets being bogus. Why the
fiction? I think I know. I believe I was told the "your tickets are no
good" lie because I was one of the first people to check in, and the
oversold line doesn't work when you're talking to the fourth person in
line who was there before the counter opened. Moreover, if this was a
"simple oversold situation", would it not be the last people who checked
in rather than the first who get dropped? Why me?
I believe I know the answer to this one, too. You needed my tickets --
not just anyone's. You needed to persuade me that my tickets were bad
so my seats could be given to other people. It was because my tickets,
having been purchased and paid for May 28 -- nearly three months in
advance -- were very low revenue tickets for United, and almost everyone
else was carrying much more valuable tickets. More valuable times five
seats. I believe that is also why you actually sent me to another
airline to get home -- you literally did not want my business. Well,
MESSAGE RECEIVED, Mr. Greenwald. Please feel free to advise me of any
benign explanation for this series of events, but my travel agent has
already gotten the UAGL version of events, and life is too short for me
to help you fix a problem when your people are still lying and covering
up. Frankly, I think the DOT or some aggressive class action attorney
should jerk the records of oversold situations on Great Lakes over the
past several years and look for a correlation to ticket value. They
will find a real honey on 8/17/97; over 25% of the plane bumped on an
oversold after three passengers had checked-in.
So that's my story. You guys won on 8/17/97; my low revenue seats
turned into high revenue seats when UAGL told me stuff that wasn't true
and failed to honor UAGL's own ticket. You got to hold my money for
almost three months before sending it to another carrier on the
Detroit-SFO leg, and you are still holding my money on the Traverse
City-Chicago leg, and you got even more money from the five people who
got our seats, at least four of whom were from another carrier and
probably represented significant incremental revenue. But I am sure you
are way ahead of me on the numbers.
Meanwhile, I still have five non-refundable "non-valid" tickets from
Traverse City, MI to Chicago, IL. I couldn't use them on 8/17/97
because they were "bogus". Now they are "good", but I am not in
Traverse City, MI, and the tickets are nonrefundable. At least I now
know that the way to tell a "fake" ticket from a real one is whether it
has "United Airlines" printed on it. I also know that I have no direct
recourse to what you did, since UAGL gave me a voucher for the "one"
ticket I was short on this leg -- since I wouldn't leave a child behind --
and when I signed that voucher I also signed away my right to recover
damages arising from deliberate deception, lies, etc. So you got me
good. I hope you choke on all the money you made off this.
As I mentioned, I have flown over a million actual flight miles with
United Airlines. I am Premier/Exec or 1K. My business partner is
Premier/Exec or 1K. My girlfriend is Premier/Exec. I have been loyal.
I rarely buy tickets in advance. UAL has made a ton of money off me.
But UAL knew all of this when I was standing in line, and yet UAGL lied
to me for no reason I can see except to make a few more dollars. What
are you guys thinking? Someone out there has to realize that when I
discover the truth UAL will lose customers: My family, my firm, and
anyone else I can persuade. How do you think my travel agent likes
being set up? (She is writing her own letter on this matter.) If what
Great Lakes told me was true, I would have -- should have -- fired my
travel agent. I wonder if the deceitful calculus you use to come up
with profit maximizing practices such as this one also accounts for the
$50-$100K in airline tickets I will be spending elsewhere next year? I
know its not much money, but its more than you stung me for last Sunday
so I can't help thinking that this is stupid and self-defeating as well
as a deceitful way to run a business.
If you choose to respond to this letter, please do not insult my
intelligence by attempting to differentiate United Airlines from United
Airlines Great Lakes. You own them. You wear the same uniforms, you
paint your planes the same, you use the same name. You do everything
you can to make them look the same to the consumer. If they are not up
to your high standards it is probably because you don't pay them as
much. I am planning, however, to send this letter to the service
departments of several airlines you do not own in addition to the ones
you do, as well as the Department of Transportation and anyone else who
may be interested in this account or learn from it. If the airlines I
fly in the future can learn from these mistakes, I will benefit more
directly than if the airlines I intend to avoid stop practicing them.
Preferential status? I think not!
from: Deb Jordan, Middlebury
Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:03:53 -0400 (EDT)
Last Thursday, five of my family members, including myself were booked
on flight 46 from Kahalui, Maui to SFO, continuing on to Chicago and
ending in Burlington, VT at 4:30 PM on Friday afternoon. Upon arriving
in SFO we found that our flight to Chicago was canceled, which they
eventually attributed to mechanical problems. I called UAL's 800 number
while my husband stood in line at a gate to try to get rebooked. I was
told we couldn't get on another flight for 5 hours and wouldn't arrive
in BTV until midnight. My husband, a Premier executive, was told that
we were put on standby for the next flight to ORD and would have
preferential status due to my husbands Premier executive status as well
as our 2 sons and my own Premier status and for the fact that we were a
family of 5 traveling together with small children.
When they did finally call us for standby, they said it was for 3
seats. Well, here we were with 3 children, 2 of them very young. When
we reminded them of our number they said that these were the final
seats, take them or leave them. We conferred for a minute and decided
to let them go because we were afraid there would be too much of a
hassle with trying to reseat people to enable one of us to sit with our
2 youngest. After we declined the seats they continued to read off
more standby names. Not only did they give our seats to 3 more people
on the list but, they continued calling names for seats. There were
more than enough available seats for all 5 of us all along! We were
too frustrated and exhausted from the overnight flight to do anything
about it, assuming we'd get on the next flight. We were wrong, and
ended up sitting in the SFO airport for 5 hours.
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