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  1. "And that's not just talk"
  2. Nightmares Forever on United
  3. No more meal ticket
  4. Lies, rudeness, and incompetence for Premier Execs
  5. Executive Premier who's finally had it
  6. Premier status counts for little
  7. No reason to remain a 1K
  8. UAL pretends tickets are no good
  9. Preferential status? I think not!
  10. UA Won't Change Until Planes Fly Empty
  11. Triple infraction and no more United
  12. Overflowing toilets for Connoisseur class
  13. United's attitude towards its customers
  14. Give up your reserved seats
  15. United is getting worse
  16. We don't have to be nice
  17. We don't do that, sir
  18. Decline in service

"And that's not just talk"
Passenger's letter
by: Joe Moosavian
Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:58:55 -0800

Dear Mr. Greenwald:

This letter is in regards to United flight #0112 to Chicago on December 24, 1997. Attached is a form letter sent to me by Ms. Denise Harvill. While I appreciate the gesture, this is a form letter that does nothing to appease my frustrations. I've received these letters numerous times in the past and they all say the same thing: "We're sorry and we promise we're going to fix things and change them." But you never do! The problems I had on the aforementioned flight were not about the flight being late, it was about the lack of information and misleading information. Ms. Harvill's letter does not and cannot address unethical employees, as my letter will explain.

Our flight wa diverted to Madison, Wisconsin because of weather in Chicago. After two hours of sitting on the plane, the captain told everyone to deplane briefly to allow another plane into the gate. We got off and waited another two hours without any further information, at which point we were told to get back on the plane and that we would be leaving immediately. The doors were shut and we did not take off for another two hours, all the while, with no lavatory facilities since they were full. Captain Dick Newton and the pregnant flight attendant got into a fight in front of the other passengers, as she was trying to get information for the tired and frustrated passengers, but the captain was so flustered and angry, he couldn't control his temper.

The first flight attendant(who was pregnant) tried to help answer the passengers' questions by asking the captain for information. I was shocked when, along with other first class and forward-cabin coach passengers, heard him shout at her "Would you get out of here and stop asking, 'Daddy, when are we going to leave?'"

When I finally arrived in Chicago, the first thing the Red Carpet Club attendant said to me was that they would not be paying for my hotel. Thanks. I pay $300 a year dues for the Red Carpet Club to ease travel annoyances, not make them worse. And while I understand that this was somewhat weather-related, if Captain Newton had kept us informed during our delay, I would have contacted friends in Madison, stayed there for the evening, and then flown the next morning. Alternately, I could have rented a car and driven to Ohio to spend Christmas with my family.

I'd like to think this was a "comedy of errors", but I didn't find it funny. I upgraded the entire trip using frequent flier miles, but when I called on December 28th to confirm my return flights, I was informed that I had been bumped out of first class, with no explanation. Then I had to spend about an hour on the phone while they tried to get me another seat.

When I got home four days later, I already had an apology letter from Ms. Harvill in my mailbox. But it was their typical form letter -- "we're sorry, please keep flying with us." It's a joke.

In your attached article in the June 1997 Hemispheres, you said "It's about what really matters to you, delivering the kind of reliability, comfort, and friendly, courteous, helpful service you have a right to demand. And that's not just talk." Well apparently it is just talk.

In your attached article in the December 1997 Hemispheres, you talked about how you're spending all kinds of money on seating, and comfort, blankets, and pillows, and airline alliances, but you have to know that you will never be credible until your employees overcome fundamental changes. Courtesy, honesty, empathy. These words are spoken all the time but I rarely see them practiced.

Your article continues: "Acknowledgment without action is meaningless." You're right...it's also frustrating and insulting. And that's the way your airline has left me and your other loyal passengers feeling.

I am extremely frustrated with United, and have reached my limit. This was one of the most embarassing and unprofessional displays by United employees I've ever seen. And I've seen a lot---I was a 1K flyer for three years and have been at least Premier status for six - seven years. No other business or service industry could treat their customers like United does, or act as unprofessional...why do they?

If I do not get any kind of satisfactory response from you, I plan on sending this letter along with my past six years worth of Mileage Plus statements (three years of those as a 1K flyer) to American Airlines, Northwest, and Delta. When they honor my Premier status, which I've been told they will, I will no longer fly United and I will move what used to be a loyalty to United, to another airline.

I'm also attaching the last set of "Service Award Certificates" you sent me. Please recycle them because I know I'll never use them.

United's form letter
from: Denise Harvill,
Director, Customer Relations

Dear Mr. Moosavian:

Please accept my apology for the delay of our flight 0112 to Chicago, on December 24.

We understand that schedule reliability is important to you with your exceptionally heavy travel schedule, and we've made on-time performance a top priority at United. Unfortunately, despite our best efforts, delays do occur and we are truly sorry for your inconvenience.

As you are a Premier member, your satisfaction is vital to us and to the continuing success of our business. So I want to assure you that we are committed to doing all we can to improve our performance in this area, and in every area, until we are satisfied that we are providing our best customers with the very best level of service.

Again, we are sorry for the inconvenience you experienced. I hope we will have the continued privilege of serving you and demonstrating how much you are valued by all of us at United.

Nightmares Forever on United
by: Shayne L. Glessing-Karzmar, Mountlake Terrace, WA
Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:32:16 -0500 (EST)

Dear Mr. Greenwald:

I have been a Premier Executive, originally enrolled in your program since 1988. My Mileage Plus number is 00133 466 932. During this time, I have walked from United, obtained Ambassador Status on TWA and Executive Status with BA, only to return to United a few years ago, hoping United had "got it right".

This past year has found me endeavoring to fly anyone, but United! It has become apparent that patience, understanding, and wishful thinking are mostly for naught when it comes to United.

I have, in my hand, a copy of your 1997 mailing of your "2000" brochure, in which you and Mr. Edwardson relay United's focus' for the future. I am most caught by the comment:

"In the coming months and years ahead, we hope you'll see, not only in our words, but also in our actions - in our old-fashioned desire to "do our best" - how much we want to serve you for a long time to come"

With all due respect, maybe it is time to re-read these words in this posting, as my experiences have presented myself with contrary opinions.

In the previous 2 years, I have been required to follow-up, via posting, e-mail, and fax, no less than 35 times, in excess of 100+ pages of documentation regarding events as the everlasting endeavor to obtain mileage credits, damaged personal items, lost baggage, promised efforts from Corporate Headquarters, and general poor customer service. A great headache of immeasurable time on my part. With GREAT frustration.

Before getting to my most recent "trauma" on the part of United, I would like to summarize a few key issues to me, notwithstanding the immense volume of problems I experienced in 1996. Throughout this period of time, I thought I must be the most unlucky person in the flying public, until I came across Untied.Com, which finally showed to me that I am neither a bad passenger nor singularly held out to be the resident victim of United and its strange perception on customer service and relations.

I must equally profess to my lack of understanding as why most faxed communications to United cannot either be found, responded to, etc., as has been my experience with Mr. Coltman and Mr. Falcone, of whose offices professed "loss" of my faxes over 7 differing days. In any other business, this would be unacceptable. During the past year+, I have had the lack of pleasure to experience:

My most profound "moments" with United recently were:
  • Flight from Europe to U.S. when I became violently ill prior to departing Europe. Unbeknownst to me, I had acquired a "severe case of Hep. A" virus. I was so ill I seriously thought I was going to die and infact later became life threateningly ill. During my flights home, I was unable to gain comfort and endeavored to garner additional items such as pillows, blankets, fluids, etc. to no avail. When I need flight attendant assistance, after ringing the service bell for in excess of 20 minutes, to no avail, my sister approached a flight attendant whom merely chastised her from my being on the plane. We never received kind treatment that flight. The sensitivity United displayed was chilling, at best. However, I have seen it time and time again, on to others.
  • My repeated experiences have been, most especially on transatlantic flights, that United Flight Attendants have an unpublished collective break rule, which keeps nearly all of them in the back hanging out for a good several hours of a flight. And boy, are they unhappy should you gather around to get something. Certainly less so in Business and First, but I have had to serve myself in all classes.
  • Most recently and Most Importantly: is my recent disappointment from United. In my endeavor to use mileage from my account and make my annual run to the South Pacific, I spent hours working on flights to/from Sydney, Melbourne, and/or Auckland during the Mardi Gras period. My original efforts to fly business were thwarted, and I was offered one way business and one-way coach, at full business mileage deduction. After finally getting on several wait lists and guaranteeing a reservation in coach (at least I facilitated a res.), I was told to call back and ticket up to/incl the 16th Jan. I called back 7 times, and still had nothing worthy of losing a guaranteed res. On the 16th, I called to ticket. Alas, I had the luxury of finding that my reservation had been cancelled and that no seats were/are available. How thoughtful of United. I now have prepaid party tickets, prepaid hotel reservations, time off, and now no flights.
I seriously do not know what United thinks a customer/client need do to use this airline and get what is promised.

I have flown so little on United in the past year, that I now qualify for nothing, which will further insure my lack of flying with the airline, as I could not imagine what you are treated like without preferences.

I have seen some improvements, but not enough, nor fast enough. I have actually received a "good customer" comment note from a First Class flight attendant, during Thanksgiving Day, and I awarded her one of United's Customer Service tickets that came in my premier mailing, for EXCEPTIONAL service. Unfortunatley, it is not often I have been able to use them, and I always carry them when I fly United.

Maybe United need reward me with a good customer award and meet the original reservation I had before United waived its hand and got rid of my reservation.

If you have any doubt of what I have gone through with United, I will be more than happy to fax over my repeated mailings, faxes, etc., but you should make sure you have your machine filled with paper. I await the generosity of a response on this most recent and prevalent matter.

It is very unfortunate that United is not responding rapidly enough to their customers concerns. From Seattle to the points I fly most often, United has the best routes, not always the best times. And certainly, the programs, when they work are by far the best. But alas, what you must endure to benefit, when you do.

As I now consider myself fully incorporated into the Untied.Com club for disgruntled passengers, I have forwarded a copy of this request/complaint to their attention.

Thank you for your time in reviewing these matters.

CC: Mr. David Coltman, Senior Vice-President, Marketing, United Airlines
Mr. John Edwardson, President, United Airlines
Ms. Denise Harvill, Director of Customer Relations, United Airlines
Ms. Barbara Seating, United Airlines
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No more meal ticket
by: Tim Smith
Mileage Plus Number: 00088-568-672
Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:55:31 +0000

Dear Mr. Gerald Greenwald

Let me begin by wishing you a pleasant New Year. However, let me also begin by saying that, without some rapid and meaningful improvement in customer service at United, it will be my last year as a frequent passenger-even with lifetime Premier Exec. Status.

You may examine my record as a customer to make sure my credentials are appropriate. What you’ll find is someone who has, over the past 10 years, flown over a million miles, been 1K at least 6 of those years, and someone who, despite a consistent degradation in service, has continued to use United, even when it was not the most convenient mode of travel.

You’ll notice, as well, that I consistently buy full coach tickets, not discounted fares. I travel regularly at full price and buy upgrades. I am your "meal ticket". Not any longer.

Not only has United allowed its customer service to slip in the air (god knows you have enough horror stories about this and ground personnel as well), but in a time of increasing prosperity for the airline has chosen to penalize its best customers by reducing their perks, diluting their privileges, not providing ample upgrades for the most frequent (1K), failing to improve food and beverage to a world class level and, slow rolling cabin comfort changes and, well...the beat goes on.

I’m in the business of advising executives on a range of organizational issues. Here’s some expensive advice. Act now or lose more of your best customers. Don’t look for more feedback, it abounds. Take care of what you know to be inadequate. Treat your best customers the best. If this is as good as it gets, you’re in for a rough ride.

Train your front-line people in the art of customer service - they are the face of your company, and in the stressful world of travel, they will make or break your business. Align your management philosophy and behaviors to reflect this commitment to customers - actions speak louder than all the expensive ad campaigns you present. Treat your people well, insuring that they will, in turn, do the same with US.

Keep your promises. If your say you are Rising, then RISE! Every year brings new degradations, yet every year you say you are striving to doing better. You’ll continue to lack trust and credibility with your people and with your customers unless you make changes that improve rather than degrade service. Drive arrogance out by insisting on service as the fundamental rule.

If your intent is to enrich your stockholders, do it through sound management, not by treating your best customers poorly or cutting back on service and perks. The evidence is overwhelming and historically verifiable. Those who fail to grasp this will not rise, but fall. Careful...you’re slipping.

I’m going to begin using other carriers this new year. I’ve used United exclusively (over 99% of my flying the past 10 years) and spent quite a bit of money with you. I thank you for the many safe rides you’ve provided me over the years, and sincerely hope that when I’m next on a United flight, I can see a real difference.

Lies, rudeness, and incompetence for Premier Execs
by: Jim Mindling, Weston, CT
Thu, 18 Dec 1997 07:53:26 -0500 (EST)

I am a United Premier Executive Customer, and applaud your honest efforts to expose the most consumer unfriendly company I deal with.

My best lie to your face story was the ramp agent at LGA who looked me in the eye as we were boarding a flight 30 minutes after scheduled departure, and a mechanic was working on the left engine with part of the engine shroud removed. He said the flight was technically "on time", since the equipment had arrived late from somewhere else, and that didn't "count", and "no", there was no mechanical delay even though the mechanic was pulling parts and replacing parts off the engine.

The past year has been a chrous of mistreatment and aggravation including: Making transatlantic upgrade travel almost imposssible with bureaucratic rules and procedures, endless phone waits and uncooperative reservation agents (the flights used were, of course, largely empty in business class), refusing to take an MCO at JFK, issued by my travel agent for 2 dogs, and then making me wait 45 minutes while the MCO was refunded, and reissuing an MCO for the EXACT same amount but not issued by my travel agent (a violation of a UA RULE). This, while ignoring all the FAA/USDA documentation procedures for the safety and welfare of my pets.

I especially sympathize with cabin staff who walk down the aisles of the planes saying, Oh, yes, we hate that too and always write it up, but nothing happens, why don't you write a letter. Or the fact the cabin is short staffed and the crew tells you, expect slow service, we're short staff---does Mr. Greenwald offer a refund for inferior service onboard, especially in business or first class?

But, oh, I really miss the hoard of indifferent, rude agents, especially at Denver and the Red Carpet Club, who prefer their computer screens to looking at customers, and who's main delight is finding a way to say "NO", or perhaps coming up with a way to try and charge a few hundred dollars to switch destination airports at the same city. I HAVE NEVER BEEN OFFERED A REFUND ON ANYTHING BY ANYBODY AT UNITED.

And, of course, those wonderful "travel vouchers", apparently only usable for more transportaton only at United. A couple of weeks ago UAL lost my luggage on a connection at IAD from ZHR to LGA. I was exhausted, had a business meeting in NYC the following morning and only asked for a "toiletry kit"or some money to buy a few items in NYC. Nope, $50. of vouchers, which when I tried to use a few days ago in Denver for a first class upgrade booklet, was sternly told, "It clearly states in the fine print you may use these for tickets only". I guess after travelling 19 hours I should have read the fine print and argued with the baggage agent at LGA.

Lastly, my Kudos to United for the absolute worst catering imaginable, especially on non-competitive routes in and out of Denver, where they can charge high prices and give less. A first class flight between New York and Denver offers such gracious amenities as bagged peanuts or petzels, followed by a tiny, unappetizing meal, accompanied by stale rolls. Starbucks ought to be ashamed to have their name on the coffee served by United.

Executive Premier who's finally had it
from: David French, Stamford, CT
Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:37:54 -0500 (EST)

Originally I switched to United 5 years ago after about 500K miles on American and Cathay Pacific. What a mistake.

I am almost at a million miles with U.A. now and have finally had it. I cut back on them over a year ago because of rudeness, indifference and an overall bad attitude. Such as last fall I was stuck on a trip to L.A. from NY with a broken seat back and no other place to go in coach. There were empty seats in business. When I complained to the steward he grabbed the UA magazine, pointed out an address and said "if you don't like it then write them".

Just last week on a business ticket RT through Taiwan and Tokyo from NY I was bumped out of first on the Chicago to NY part on the way back. When I got on the plane 4 of the first class seats had United Employees in them. Also on that trip I waited 3 weeks for a business class seat on part going to Taipei and still couldn't get it. What good is executive Premier? The list goes on and on but I can remember 5 years ago when United was a pleasure to fly on. Now, it sucks. Good Riddance.

Premier status counts for little
by: Gregg Kasten, San Francisco
Fri, 31 Oct 1997 05:29:43 -0500

I have a lot of frequent flyer miles on United Airlines. I am also a 1k Premier member, although my recounting of these incidents will show that this counts for very little. Twice I have used my frequent flyer mileage to book a ticket for my sister to New York, and twice, I have had problems.

[First story ommited for brevity]

I booked another ticket to New York for my sister for the July 4, 1997, weekend. Again, I ordered an electronic ticket. I called to reserve the ticket several weeks in advance, but I asked them to hold off on deducting the points from my Mileage Plus account until I could verify with my sister that the flights I had chosen were satisfactory. They agreed to hold the tickets until X date. On the day before X date, I called to accept the reservation. I verified that the points would be deducted from my account and that the seat was confirmed. I also requested an electronic ticket. I explicitly asked if there was anything else I needed to do. The agent said that I was "all set."

The day before my sister's trip, I called the United Airlines 1k desk to verify that everything was all set -- to make sure that no flights had been cancelled, etc. To my surprise, the agent said that my sister's ticket had "fallen out of the system." I was shocked, to say the least. I asked him why it would have fallen out of the system. He responded that I must not have confirmed the ticket.

Fortunately, I remembered the date on which I called to confirm the flight, and I even remembered roughly the time of day. I asked the agent to check the records on my itinerary to see if it showed that I had called on that date at that time. There was a long pause, then he said that the record DID show that I had called. I asked him to tell me what the record said. He conceded that the record reflected that I had called to confirm and arrange "payment" for the ticket.

So I asked him again -- why did the ticket fall out of the system? He responded that I never came down to pick up the ticket at a ticket office. I explained that it was an electronic ticket. He said that, yes, it was an electronic ticket, but since it was a ticket for my sister, paid with MY frequent flyer miles, that I needed to sign some sort of form or something at a ticket office. I explained that the agent on X-1 date had said that I was "all set." All he could concede is that there must have been some sort of miscommunication. I DID NOT MIS-HEAR THE AGENT ON X-1 DATE.

I demanded that he re-instate the ticket. He said he could not because all the seats were full. I demanded that he find me another flight in the same timeframe. He said all flights were full. I asked him if there were ANY seats available, even first class or business class seats. He said there were upgrade seats available on the flights that my sister had originally been scheduled on, so I demanded that he give me one of those or upgrade somebody else so that my sister could have a coach seat -- I didn't care what seat she got, just as long as she could get to New York for her full weekend. He refused. I asked for his manager. The manager refused.

The manager told me that she did not have the "authority" to give me those seats. Basically, she did not have the authority to solve a problem. She told me the only way I could get those seats was to call the (long-distance phone number) special Chicago customer service line in the morning -- the special number is only open during the day. That was not a feasible option, as my sister's flight was scheduled to depart about an hour after the special customer service number "opened." Eventually, the manager found my sister alternate flights that would cut her short weekend trip even shorter, and force her to cancel her holiday plans to visit friends, as her friends' schedules were already set. In short, my sister had to decline the new flights.

I blame United Airlines' stupidity, lack of diligence, and general incompetence for ruining my sister's holiday weekend.

Incidentally, I had to explicitly call United Airlines to request that the frequent flyer miles be returned to my account. It has been more than three months, and I have still not seen a credit to my mileage plus account.

My year as a 1k member is almost up -- two more months. Not that it will matter. United Airlines bestows a few perks on 1k members -- early boarding, occasional paid/coupon upgrade priority (except that the business class on the well-travelled routes often have no upgrade seats available, anyway). But this in NO WAY makes up for the inconsiderate and incompetent things United Airlines has done to me over the years. I don't expect that I will miss my 1k membership -- it just means that United Airlines can continue to treat me like crap, and they don't have to feel as badly about it (if they feel bad at all).

[Many more stories of lost luggage, misinformation, UAL couriers unwilling to deliver promised luggage during snow when other courier companies were out in full force, inability to provide a toiletry kit, etc. removed for brevity.]

No reason to remain a 1K
by: Daniel J. Custer, San Francisco
Mileage Plus Number 00109146692
Wed, 29 Oct 1997 01:59:50 -0500

Thank you for your website. I have written many letters to United over the years, and many of the letters appearing on your site sound just like them.

However, besides agreeing that the general attitude of United's employees is that they are somehow doing us a huge favor by accepting vast amounts of our money, I have a very specific reason for writing. I want to alert your 1K readers to some very important aspects of the changes coming to the Mileage Plus program next year, and urge you to post this message. If they read the materials announcing the changes to the program, they will realize that the incentives to fly more than 50,000 miles with United next year will be eliminated almost entirely. United is doing away with the so-called "plateau bonuses" which, if you fly 125,000 miles per year add up to an additional 90,000 miles to your account, and is replacing those bonuses with a highly restricted "certificate" for use toward a companion ticket in first or business class. In other words, you must buy a first or business class ticket in order to use the certificate.

What is so curious is that the net effect of this change is to penalize United's best customers, since the changes affecting Premier and Premier Executive flyers are much less drastic. When coupled with the new policies forbidding double upgrades on 3 cabin aircraft, which took effect this year, as well as the elimination of various other "perks" that 1K flyers have enjoyed, there will be no reason to remain a 1K member, except for the dubious pleasure of getting your upgrade 24 hours before the Premier Executives.

I have contacted both American and Continental, and both seem eager to extend the premium status of their mileage programs to unhappy United refugees. I urge you to call them, but make sure you let United know you're doing so. You might write to United's Customer Service, but a recent letter I sent to Chairman Greenwald was answered by the same flunky who has always answered my letters, and instead of addressing my concerns, she basically said she was sorry if I was unhappy (translation: go fly someone else). After 30 plus years on United, that's just exactly what I plan to do.

P.S. Don't bother to complain to Mileage Plus. The woman I spoke to also basically said I should switch carriers if that would make me happy.

UAL pretends tickets are no good
Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:39:22 -0700

Dear Mr. Greenwald,

I am a Premier Exec or 1K United member, I have flown over 1 million actual flight miles on United, I belong to the Red Carpet Club out of my own pocket and for the past 12 years have flown United Airlines whenever possible. I am writing to you about an incident on August 17, 1997, and the follow-up conversation my travel agent had with United Airlines Great Lakes (UAGL) Customer Relations. The events clearly indicate that I was deliberately lied to by agents of UAGL on the 17th, and that UAGL dissembled to my travel agent the following day. Moreover, I cannot find an explanation that fits the facts without the suggestion that what happened to me is not an accident, but a deliberate practice of increasing airline revenue through deception.

On August 17 my four children, my girlfriend, and I arrived at Traverse City, Michigan for a flight to Chicago, the first of a two leg flight to return to San Francisco. We arrived an hour early, and got in line at the United counter which was not yet manned for the flight. We were third through eighth in line. After 15 minutes or so the agent opened the counter and began checking in passengers. After the couple ahead of us and my girlfriend, the agent began working on our tickets and immediately said there was a problem because we did not have "good" tickets, but that they would see what they could do.

These tickets were non-refundable tickets purchased in May 1997. They were printed and issued in late July. The gate agent told us that the equipment for this flight had changed, and that our travel agent had never confirmed our seats, so we had invalid tickets. In fact, several of our assigned seats did not even exist on the plane, and since we were never confirmed, we in fact had no seats. I pointed out that the tickets had confirmed seat assignments, and that the tickets were printed long after the equipment change, but I was told this did not matter, that my agent had printed them "on her own", and I was out of luck. I was told to take this up with my travel agent.

The gate agent then proposed a solution: I could send three of my children ahead, and follow with a later flight. Interesting proposal. Send three children to Chicago to wait for United to re-unite us. I declined. I asked about the next flight with sufficient seating, and was told it would be at least two days away. Since the flight was overbooked, I asked if they will be offering to buy anyone out. The gate agent at that moment turned to the next person in line and asked "Do you want to give up your seat?". No mention of compensation. Just a brassy challenge to another passenger to surrender their ticket. Certainly put me in my place. The startled passenger shook his head "no" wondering no doubt if it was a joke.

Because I believed her story about not having good tickets, I stood aside and waited while she checked in the rest of the plane, hoping for two no-shows. She found one. We were then short only one seat. She again asked if I would send the children ahead without me, or leave one child behind. I declined her second solicitation to commit felony child abandonment. At that moment I suddenly became the least important person at the United counter. All attention now focused on filling the seats I had "released".

The gate agent added people from other airlines. All four seats were filled by American Airlines passengers waiting for a later flight, holding American tickets. You should give the gate agent a medal. At this point I was introduced to United's Plan B. Plan B was to drive to Detroit -- a mere 4 hours -- and fly another carrier direct to SFO. We left immediately and drove as fast as possible straight through to Detroit Metro: 6+ hours. We make the flight by 5 minutes.

When I returned to San Francisco the following day I called my travel agent to find out why she gave me "fake" tickets, and how I could tell good tickets from fake tickets in the future. I learned that she had already spoken to a UAGL Customer Assistance person, to the gate agent, and to the gate agent's supervisor. The story she got was very different. First, my travel agent had been told of the equipment change some months before, but had been told that there were no changes required to my travel record besides the time. Second, United ticketing system had allowed her to print the boarding passes with the so-called "fake" seats on it -- UAGL's assertion to me the prior day that my agent had done this "on her own" was not made to my agent. Third, UAGL Customer Service also confirmed to my agent that there was no way we could have known about the seating change. Fourth, and most important, UAGL also confirmed to my agent that our tickets were always valid, but told my travel agent that what had happened the prior day was simply an overbooking situation, and implied that I had arrived later than the other passengers for the flight.

So was the Friendly Skies lying then or is it lying now? I was told my tickets were invalid. I was told my tickets had been improperly cut by my travel agent, and that because of this, I had no rights on that aircraft. Yet the following day my travel agent was told the tickets were always good, and that we were simply caught in an oversold situation.

Now, Mr. Greenwald, let me spell this out as clearly as I can. I was the fourth person to check in, and the Beechcraft you use on this flight holds 19 passengers, most of whom checked in while I was standing there. I was told a big lie about my tickets being bogus. Why the fiction? I think I know. I believe I was told the "your tickets are no good" lie because I was one of the first people to check in, and the oversold line doesn't work when you're talking to the fourth person in line who was there before the counter opened. Moreover, if this was a "simple oversold situation", would it not be the last people who checked in rather than the first who get dropped? Why me?

I believe I know the answer to this one, too. You needed my tickets -- not just anyone's. You needed to persuade me that my tickets were bad so my seats could be given to other people. It was because my tickets, having been purchased and paid for May 28 -- nearly three months in advance -- were very low revenue tickets for United, and almost everyone else was carrying much more valuable tickets. More valuable times five seats. I believe that is also why you actually sent me to another airline to get home -- you literally did not want my business. Well, MESSAGE RECEIVED, Mr. Greenwald. Please feel free to advise me of any benign explanation for this series of events, but my travel agent has already gotten the UAGL version of events, and life is too short for me to help you fix a problem when your people are still lying and covering up. Frankly, I think the DOT or some aggressive class action attorney should jerk the records of oversold situations on Great Lakes over the past several years and look for a correlation to ticket value. They will find a real honey on 8/17/97; over 25% of the plane bumped on an oversold after three passengers had checked-in.

So that's my story. You guys won on 8/17/97; my low revenue seats turned into high revenue seats when UAGL told me stuff that wasn't true and failed to honor UAGL's own ticket. You got to hold my money for almost three months before sending it to another carrier on the Detroit-SFO leg, and you are still holding my money on the Traverse City-Chicago leg, and you got even more money from the five people who got our seats, at least four of whom were from another carrier and probably represented significant incremental revenue. But I am sure you are way ahead of me on the numbers.

Meanwhile, I still have five non-refundable "non-valid" tickets from Traverse City, MI to Chicago, IL. I couldn't use them on 8/17/97 because they were "bogus". Now they are "good", but I am not in Traverse City, MI, and the tickets are nonrefundable. At least I now know that the way to tell a "fake" ticket from a real one is whether it has "United Airlines" printed on it. I also know that I have no direct recourse to what you did, since UAGL gave me a voucher for the "one" ticket I was short on this leg -- since I wouldn't leave a child behind -- and when I signed that voucher I also signed away my right to recover damages arising from deliberate deception, lies, etc. So you got me good. I hope you choke on all the money you made off this.

As I mentioned, I have flown over a million actual flight miles with United Airlines. I am Premier/Exec or 1K. My business partner is Premier/Exec or 1K. My girlfriend is Premier/Exec. I have been loyal. I rarely buy tickets in advance. UAL has made a ton of money off me. But UAL knew all of this when I was standing in line, and yet UAGL lied to me for no reason I can see except to make a few more dollars. What are you guys thinking? Someone out there has to realize that when I discover the truth UAL will lose customers: My family, my firm, and anyone else I can persuade. How do you think my travel agent likes being set up? (She is writing her own letter on this matter.) If what Great Lakes told me was true, I would have -- should have -- fired my travel agent. I wonder if the deceitful calculus you use to come up with profit maximizing practices such as this one also accounts for the $50-$100K in airline tickets I will be spending elsewhere next year? I know its not much money, but its more than you stung me for last Sunday so I can't help thinking that this is stupid and self-defeating as well as a deceitful way to run a business.

If you choose to respond to this letter, please do not insult my intelligence by attempting to differentiate United Airlines from United Airlines Great Lakes. You own them. You wear the same uniforms, you paint your planes the same, you use the same name. You do everything you can to make them look the same to the consumer. If they are not up to your high standards it is probably because you don't pay them as much. I am planning, however, to send this letter to the service departments of several airlines you do not own in addition to the ones you do, as well as the Department of Transportation and anyone else who may be interested in this account or learn from it. If the airlines I fly in the future can learn from these mistakes, I will benefit more directly than if the airlines I intend to avoid stop practicing them.

Preferential status? I think not!
from: Deb Jordan, Middlebury
Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:03:53 -0400 (EDT)

Last Thursday, five of my family members, including myself were booked on flight 46 from Kahalui, Maui to SFO, continuing on to Chicago and ending in Burlington, VT at 4:30 PM on Friday afternoon. Upon arriving in SFO we found that our flight to Chicago was canceled, which they eventually attributed to mechanical problems. I called UAL's 800 number while my husband stood in line at a gate to try to get rebooked. I was told we couldn't get on another flight for 5 hours and wouldn't arrive in BTV until midnight. My husband, a Premier executive, was told that we were put on standby for the next flight to ORD and would have preferential status due to my husbands Premier executive status as well as our 2 sons and my own Premier status and for the fact that we were a family of 5 traveling together with small children.

When they did finally call us for standby, they said it was for 3 seats. Well, here we were with 3 children, 2 of them very young. When we reminded them of our number they said that these were the final seats, take them or leave them. We conferred for a minute and decided to let them go because we were afraid there would be too much of a hassle with trying to reseat people to enable one of us to sit with our 2 youngest. After we declined the seats they continued to read off more standby names. Not only did they give our seats to 3 more people on the list but, they continued calling names for seats. There were more than enough available seats for all 5 of us all along! We were too frustrated and exhausted from the overnight flight to do anything about it, assuming we'd get on the next flight. We were wrong, and ended up sitting in the SFO airport for 5 hours.


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