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Posted to rec.travel.air:

October 28, 1998

This posting on rec.travel.air was recently brought to my attention. Ms. Kimbell's comments strike me as somewhat naive. The people in UAL's Customer Relations department may well "work hard every day and on weekends" but because UAL management doesn't provide them with sufficient training or empower them to solve problems proactively, the results of their hard work often amount to more frustrated passengers. My own experience with United, which eventually prompted the creation of the www.untied.com website, is but a minor example of this trend.

I have no doubt that many UAL employees are well intentioned and, as Ms. Kimbell asserts, do care about their customers. However, the unfortunate reality is that UAL management does not share this view. Beyond playing the public relations game in the media and company mailings, UAL management has repeatedly demonstrated a very uncaring attitude toward the airline's passengers and employees alike.

For example, see Denise Harvill's (United's Director of Customer Relations) reply to a letter concerning a UAL chief flight attendant who was abusive toward a passenger traveling with a child suffering from cerebral palsy. Ms. Harvill claims that "this incident is not representative of the service [UAL does] offer" but a quick glance through some of the other misfortunate passenger experiences reveals that this is far from the truth. I have challenged UAL to make public the results of their "investigation" and inform the public what action was taken against the abusive purser. So far, no reply.

Also read some of the employee comments my site has received and judge for yourself whether management "cares." If any readers have the impression that only UAL's passengers have reason to complain, consider the number of employee lawsuits against the airline.

On several occasions, I have invited UAL to make public all of the correspondence its customer relations department receives and sends in reply. This way, the public can verify whether UAL embodies, as its advertising slogans previously claimed, "the friendly skies." To date, UAL has refused to establish such a forum.

Mr. Farmer's impression that "nobody at UA reads or cares about passenger letters" may not be entirely accurate. But he is correct about the form response such letters are likely to receive in reply.

Ms. Kimbell is (almost) correct in that Untied.com can't solve your problem itself. In a small number of cases, posting a story of an egregious UAL mistake on my website has caught the attention of an employee who rectified the situation. According to many UAL employees, the site has also caught the attention of upper management far more effectively than all the complaint letters they receive. As for whether or not the site does anything for problem resolution, a good many readers may ask the same of UAL's customer relations.

In its first year on-line, Untied.com published a handful of the most interesting letters received each week. While it wasn't the most direct route, those passengers who expressed their dissatisfaction with the airline could at least be assured that someone at UAL was reading them! Over the last 18 months, the site has collected approximately 2000 letters, which will soon be entered into a searchable database for all readers to explore.

I must thank Ms. Kimbell for the excellent suggestion that passengers should send their email to Denise Harvill, United's Director of Customer Relations, or to Jim Goodwin, UAL President and Chief Operating Officer. Through a web form the Untied site now collects all of the information suggested by Ms. Kimbell and forwards it directly by email to these UAL officials. Once a few weeks have passed to give UAL an opportunity to respond to these letters, I will be pleased to report the statistics of their progress in resolving the complaints.

In the meantime, if you've sent the airline a documented complaint and are expecting their "research [to] be thorough and the response more than a form letter" don't hold your breath...

- Jeremy Cooperstock
Maintainer, Untied web site

> Katie Kimbell <kpkimbell@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Tom Farmer <farmer9011@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >Polar wrote:
> >>I have a list of beefs I'd like to send to the head cheese of
> >>United. Anybody know who he/she/it might be, and how to reach them by
> >>email, fax, snailmail?
> >> Thanks.
> >> Polar
> >
> >Save your printer ink. Nobody at UA reads or cares about passenger
> >letters -- you'll get a form response from some flunky. But if you want
> >to share your story with thousands and maybe have some effect, check
> >out www.untied.com -- which also has voluminous tips on how to bother
> >the UA brass.
>
> Mr. Farmer is ill informed and much misguided. I see the people in the
> Customer Relations department work hard every day and on weekends trying
> to respond to the volume of comments, complaints and compliments. The
> Director, Denise Harvill puts in long hours, as well. Letters are read,
> responded to and WE CARE. Form letters are used in many cases due to
> the volume of correspondence. These are supposed to help get a response
> quicker. Letters without specifics are more likely to get a form letter
> of some type.
>
> The web site untied.com does absolutely nothing for problem resolution.
> It only gives you a place to vent. If you want a resolution or to be
> heard, then write to UA. Be specific, suggest a resolution you would
> find satisfactory (be reasonable). State names, dates, flights numbers,
> etc. so the research can be thorough and the response more than a form
> letter.
>
> If you want snail mail, write to United-WHQPR, P.O. Box 66100, Chicago
> IL 60666. If you want a name, Denise Harvill is the name of the
> Director for Passenger/Customer Relations. If you want to write to the
> President, use the same address, only address it to Mr. Jim Goodwin.
> For e-mail, try jim.goodwin@ual.com or denise.harvill@ual.com.
>
> If you don't tell us, we don't know and we can't make any attempt to fix
> it. Tell the disgruntled folks at untied.com if you want, but they
> can't solve your problem.
>
> Good luck, and thanks for caring enough to let us know.
>
> Katie Kimbell
> Sales Development Manager
> UAL Services
> **my time, my money, my opinion - not my employer's and not on their
> behalf**