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  I'll take the road over the Unfriendly Skies!
from: Joshua Holt Farrell
Tue Oct 31 14:35:57 PST 2000

On Sunday 22 OCT your company ran an employment advertisment in the Los Angeles Times Newspaper Sunday Edition. The advertisment outlined an open interview to take place at the Sofitel Hotel. My wife showed up for the interview at the specified time and location on 25 OCT 00, at 12:30 P.M. and the following occurred; She took the employment exam and did well, as you know there is an English comprehension part of the exam and some mathematics.

After taking and passing the exam, she was told "We don't take people with accents." Let me give you a little background biography of my wife and you will understand why that kind of remark is particularly appalling, especially in terms of employment. The advertisment in The Los Angeles Times Sunday Edition stated "Dutch speakers encouraged to apply." While my wife does not speak Dutch, she is bilingual and hence she thought that she might be an asset to United Airlines, by the way she speaks both Russian and English.

She has been in the United States for 7 years, has worked very hard, has become a loyal American Citizen and is entitled to equal protection under the law, including employment law, of which I'm sure you are aware. Here is another fact to consider in all of this, I am a United States Soldier, a reservist, with the 311th Corp Support Command based here in Los Angeles. Frequently, I and other servicemen in my unit must travel from Los Angeles to Seattle for Military Duty. United Airlines is a carrier that we have used on several occassions. I have asked the HST (Headquarters Special Troops) in my unit not to book soldiers on United Airlines for that trip from Los Angeles to Seattle. Moreover, I've asked them to book trips on other carriers for unit business.

I am sorry to feel compelled to write this letter to you. What I am asking for is an apology from United Airlines. A copy of this communication is going to the Editors' Desk of The Los Angeles Times, because the employment advertisment appeared in their newspaper. Thank you for your immediate attention to this matter. My e-mail address is JHF@nrg.com.

I'll take the road over the Unfriendly Skies!
from: Dan Berkes
Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:30:10 -0500 (CDT)

I am so glad that I found your site. I live in a small town just outside of Dubuque, Iowa. I am going to Chicago this weekend and considered booking a flight from DBQ to ORD.

Three airlines serve the Dubuque Regional Airport. First there's Northwest, which is the most expensive option because from Dubuque one must always transfer through Minneapolis/St. Paul. The second option is American, which would be okay except for their last minute $900 fare. Then there was United, which offered a fare of $274 -- not cheap for a 175 mile, 55 minute flight, but within my price range.

I was within seconds of handing over my credit card number for the reservation when I decided to check out United's site for information on the aircraft they used for this run.

Instead of "united.com" I typoed "untied.com" and the rest is history.

After reading the volumes of information on your site, I decided to "go Greyhound" instead. And considering how much I hate the four hour road trip to Chicago, that's really saying something!

United against United
from: Susanne Whittenberg
Thu, 20 May 1999 11:12:49 -0700 (PDT)

I am the assistant to an executive for a large, national corportation. My boss travels constantly (Executive Platinum on another airline) and after reading the horror stories on the Untied web site, I will never again book him on a United flight. One of his subordinates is a frequent flyer w/United and a member of their Red Carpet thing. I plan to take care of this right away.

Just wanted you to know that until you start treating all of us better, we will unite against you.

United Rising?
from: Tom Ashley
Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:07:13 -0700 (PDT)

I wrote you a couple of years ago concerning my problems with United and my solution for them - I switched to Delta. This week I am celebrating a full United-free year, and I am still happy with my decision, despite losing my privileges during the transition. I flew 85,000 miles on Delta in 1998 and expect to exceed that this year. With United just finishing last in a survey of domestic airline quality, it seems they have positioned themselves ideally to be "rising" but despite claims, theu have clearly been "falling" as they have for years.

Saved by the net
Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:14:49 -0500 (EST)

I will be starting to travel a fair amount in the next little while and I was thinking about using United airlines for most of my flights. As I was surfing the net to find out about flights United offers, I stubbled apon this web site, what a surprise!! On one of my first flights I flew United and while having no particular horror story to relay to your web site, I did enroll in the United frequent flyer program. I was quite confused as to why it would take 4 months to send me anything that acknowledged my acceptance into their program.

However, after finding this web sight I will, out of respect for those people who were so poorly treated by United, simply find a new airline to start a frequent flyer plan with!! Perhaps if enough people refuse to fly United they will go out of buisness! Hopefully,this would send a clear signal to other airline companys to take a better approach to customer service.

You should have brought your own
from: A.C. Siegal, Alexandria, Virginia
Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:26:10 -0500 (EST)

I stumbled upon this page and am amused to find nothing has changed at United. Several years ago, on a flight from Seattle to Washington D.C., I began feeling quite queasy. I had just learned that I was pregnant, but had never experienced any morning sickness problems. When the queasy feeling began, I asked the male attendant for a package of crackers. He demanded to know why I wanted them, so I told him. His response: Well, if you knew you were going to have this problem, you should have brought your own crackers!" I've always remembered that line... every time I book on ANOTHER airline.

Change of Plans
from: Sam Highfield, Colo Springs, CO
Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:31:29 -0500 (EST)

After reading many of the horror stories on your site, I have decided to book my wife on a less controversial airline for her upcoming trip to Thailand. We need more consumer watchdogs like yourself! Thanks! A wary customer.

Seat Selection
from: Ron Allen, San Francisco
Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:13:27 -0500 (EST)

Recently when trying to get to LA on UAL, I arrived at SFO approx 1 hour before scheduled liftoff. I used my corporate card to purchase a ticket at the check in counter. I proceeded to the gate where I was issued a boarding pass. I was among the first people on the plane, which turned out to be a full flight. The last person to board the plane turned out to have the same seat assignment as myself.

The stewardess informed me that I had not checked in properly and I needed to give my seat up and she would move me to the last available seat. When I suggested that the one individual that had not been seated be placed in this available seat she left to get the head attendant. This person arrived with her finger pointing at me and informed me that when I was told to move I had better get busy moving. I informed her that if I had to move I would be to another airline. She insisted that I had to move so I did. www.iflyswa.com

They've Lost Another One
from: Dennis Stanley, Robins AFB, GA
Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:13:35 -0500 (EST)

Based strictly on this website and its very existence, UA won't get any of my business until this website goes away, if *you* should so decide.

Thanks again for a great webpage!

Saved by Untied
from: John Stuart, Los Angeles
Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:23:59 -0500

I just happened onto your website. I am about to begin a series of 10 trips to SE Asia for my business. Our Corp travel agent was going to book me on United. After reading these horror stories I called him and asked if he could book them on Cathay Pacific. Thank god I stopped in by chance. I would not want to spend 15 hours in living hell with the United FA's attitudes. I showed this site to a united 1k member in our office. He said he concurs with the majority that United has really slipped the past few years (especially on the LAX-HKG route). He is going to travel with me next week on Cathay!

Thanks for the info, glad I did not waste $4,500 on united!

Are United's passengers ignoramuses?
from: Vic Polewsky
Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:19:05 -0500

Ed note. The following letter is somewhat speculative regarding how UAL management views its customers, but makes some good points concerning customer service in general. United Airlines take note. Also, the writer is incorrect in the first paragraph: people have sued UA and been successful.

There can be no question that UA firmly believes, and correctly so, that their passengers are a bunch of ignoramuses. After all, there's no evidence that any were bright enough to even attempt suing UA individually, let alone as a class action, as it should be, on behalf of everyone who has ever flown on UA since deregulation when UA began its downward spiral to become the epitomy of the airline industry.

$200 travel vouchers for damages that are easily worth thousands (including punitive and exemplary damages) are UA's way of adding insult to the injuries sustained. Put another way, stabbing some elderly people in the back isn't good enough, they have to "twist" the blade and smile while they look around and say "does anybody else want to complain"!

The customer relations people at UA are quite correct telling its victims that UA "is not responsible". This is another example of twisting the blade and telling them "you ... bunch of fools, ya deserve whatever we dispense at you."

Would I consider flying UA. Yeah, right, sure! I wouldn't even send a small non-prioritized pkg with that kind of an outfit.

If they had anyone qualified to discern the difference between good weather and bad, they wouldn't be telling passengers the fairy tails about weather problems where there aren't any. Yes, an airline w/o personell qualified to assess weather conditions is very hazardous. And if they have such qualified people, they'd be using them, or stories like you have posted involving perfect weather reported as unsuitable for flight wouldn't happen.

How stupid are UA passengers? How stupid is someone with evidence in hand that an airline hasn't anybody qualified to read a weather map, but boards a plane anyway. Its no wonder UA likes these kinds of passengers. They set themselves up to beat liability in a civil action based on assumption of risk and contributory negligence.

I hope UA is adequately supporting UNTIED.COM, for all of the substantial benefits you're providing them. Without UNTIED they'll have more difficulty advancing affirmative defences like assumption of risk and contributory negligence. Indeed and perhaps inadvertently you're helping UA further its illicit and unconscionable goals.

I have no doubt UA has lots of large complaint departments, international complaints departments, baggage complaints, et cetera (they're usually called "Customer Service"); and all those people working there who were given the jobs despite no experience from any other department (these people don't even know what a dispatcher does, have no idea what a tariff is let alone any of its intricacies) would be out of work if the causes of the complaints were eliminated. Not that they have any idea how to even begin eliminating one, but if they did, would they want to eliminate any causes of complaint? Letters saying "We're sorry", "we're not responsible", and [we think you're only worth $200] ensure them job security!)

Instead of issuing those insulting form letter replies, a responsible organization would answer letters of complaint with something like the following:

"Thank you for letting me know that you were told your flight was cancelled due to bad weather in SFO when in fact SFO weather was perfect. After investigating the facts that you disclosed, I was able to ascertain that Mr. Jones, a new employee in LAX took it upon himself to attempt explaining a situation he had no knowledge of.

This was caused through insufficient training of our co-ordinators in LAX, because the chief instructor wanted to reduce costs through an abbreviated training program.

Rest assured that I have placed the matter on proper basis. There will not be any more abbreviated training attempts in this company and all those who were not adequately trained will be identified and properly trained. I have instructed Mr. Spano, our LAX Chief Instructor to inform you of the progress he is making in this regard, by sending you copies of the same reports he will be preparing for my own benefit. Mr. Spano understands that these reports will be prepared on his own time, and knows what may happen to him if they contain any inaccuracies or omissions.

[Skipping all the crap about "we" thank you for flying Exxon] I appreciate your taking the time to bring this to MY attention. I concur in your position that the ultimate purpose of our exercise is to preclude a recurrence. If you encounter any other irregularity in our service, please do not hesitate to let me know."

Purposeful complainants don't want apologies, they can get apologies for a dime or less at their corner convenience store from the teenagers hanging out in front; nor do they want money, if they did they would have sued for proper value. They should not be insulted with $200 vouchers. They want corrective action, and that's what proper handling should ensure. The complainants will be even more insulted if, instead of specific indications of actual corrective measures, they're given the general PR garbage that typically flows out of Customer Service depertments, identifying nothing, showing no particulars of corrective measures, but simply adding insult upon insult. Any insult, however polite promising or otherwise camoflouged is nonetheless still an insult.

Give United a Try?
from: Michael O'Kane
Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:12:32 -0400

Thanks so much for your public-minded page on United Airlines. I never thought that things were so bad with United, as I usually fly American. United has been agressively marketing its South American routes in competing against American, and I was thinking of giving them a try.

No longer.

United Premier Exec switched
from: Tom Ashley, Marshfield, MA
Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:59:53 -0400 (EDT)

Your pages are a joy to read. I have had many of these same experiences with United. But I have few now, as I have switched almost all of my 90-100,000 miles per year to Delta.

I have over 1.2 million miles on United, and I have watched every aspect of this airline deteriorate over the past 5 years so that I avoid it at all cost now, even though I am getting to know Cincinnati rather better than I intended.

I hope to avoid all travel on United next year, and I look forward to the challenge....

United deserves it
from: David I. Rosen
Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:22:41 MST

Heard the Marketplace story about your website, and I congratulate you. I stopped using United Airlines years ago, and will never fly them again, if I can help it. I have no more frequent flyer miles with them, so I have no reason to use them, even for free.

I live in Seattle, which is a major United city, and I have many choices to avoid using United. I know they are not alone in their attitude towards passengers, but they deserve everything you give them on this site. I have added this site to my favorites, and will tune it in on a regular basis. Keep up the good work.

Website leads to reconsideration
Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:40:23 -0400 (EDT)

I am an infrequent flyer, but when I have flown in the past I have usually preferred to fly on United, believe it or not. I have been satisfied with their service, but after looking over your website, I am realizing that it has been several years since I have flown at all. I am taking a vacation to Boston in August and was planning to fly United as usual. Now I am seriously reconsidering flying on United...

I am SERIOUSLY horrified by the experiences related in these web pages, many dealing with flights through California, and I will never fly United to the West Coast (where I am going later this year) until I hear that conditions have improved. I am heartsick at the overall quality of the service industry in this country, and I see no reason to patronize companies that seem so richly to deserve a bad reputation.

Delays and missed connections
Sun, 22 Jun 1997 21:44:27 -0400

Flew United 9/95, Newark to Dallas with connection in Chicago. Delayed departure 2 hours so we had to SPRINT thru O'Hare and barely made the plane. I have an orthopedic disability so needless to say it was very difficult.

Flew United 9/96, Newark to Phoenix with connection in Denver. Once again a 2 hour delay except this time we missed the connection. We had the pleasure of riding a bus 30 minutes away to some hotel. It was also 2am. We arrived in Phoenix the next day already missing our first appointment. Great way to start o ur trip.

Flew United 9/96, Las Vegas to Newark with connection in Denver. Once again we were delayed over 2 hours. We missed our connection and sat in Denver for 4 hours. Arrived in Newark many hours late and little patience left in dealing with United. Our complaints about these trips fell on deaf ears. United seems unconcerned with the frustration it's customers feel.

Flying 9/97. Not United. Maybe we'll arrive with luggage too!

Thanks for the travel advice
Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:20:09 +0100

After reading about the stunning performance of United Airlines I shall (not only for my own health and mental well-being, but also in deference for those who have been wronged by United) be booking my flights through another carrier. Thank you kindly for the travel advice.

 
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